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 misanthrone
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Wed Dec 19, 2007 11:26 pm Post subject: Science vs Religion |
 
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A friend of mine sent me this, freakin' hilarious 
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 Dami
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Sadly that's exactly it
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 Pesadelo 
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Thu Dec 20, 2007 5:08 am Post subject: |
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 The little box titled "Get an idea" on faith side is wrong. The correct label should be "Listen an idea from God".
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 zarqun
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Thu Dec 20, 2007 7:36 am Post subject: |
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@pesa: I have to contradict that
mostly it's one smart motherfucker with great manipulating skills that gets an idea. and cause of his manipulating skills he's able to convince a whole lot of retards that his idea is sent by god and that his idea is marvelous, that it's the best thing ever happened to mankind
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 Soretooth
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Thu Dec 20, 2007 3:58 pm Post subject: |
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These models seem to be for Cosmology. As Morality, Religions are divinely informed, so in that sense I think Pesa is correct in saying, Listen to an idea from God. But that model is correct in that Morality should not waiver from the voice of God if one so chooses to believe in a religion. But, when religions do modify their morality it is a re-evaluation of those morals, or the chruch has a different generation of members.
Under the Scientific model morality wouldn't apply because you can't really observe Morality. One can observe acts and explain the physics of them, but not the moral nor ethical significance. |
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 evil_itself
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Sat Jan 26, 2008 1:04 pm Post subject: |
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Religion should be something peaceful, that makes people feel better(even if it means keeping one idea forever). But more people died killed because of christianity (mostly in the medieval times ) than atomic/nuclear/whatever bombs/explosives/etc.
Religion didn't do anything good for mankind, but science did.
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zarqun
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Sat Jan 26, 2008 3:07 pm Post subject: |
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hmmz
a lot of wars are indeed fought under the sign of religion
but the question is: was/is it for religion they fought/fight or is religion used to cover the real reason?
like the medieval wars between christianity and the islam
the main reason was for domination of the trading routes (the naval routes on the mediterranean sea, the red sea and northern indian ocean (with a terrestial route through sinai) or mediterranean sea, persian gulf, northern indian ocean (with a terrestial route through Western Persia (which is now Iraq, Jordany, Palestina)) or terrestial routes)
most routes were contacts between eastern civilisations like the Moguls (India) and the Chinese states with the main products: spices and silk (correct word?)
the problem for Europe (and thus christianity) was that the mideastern cultures or (sometimes) empires wanted their share of the profits => taxes
most "religious" wars were actually wars about domination of the trading market or regions with big raw material sources.
the religious part of the motivation is always used by the most powerful people to get the mob mobilized
people would not want to fight if they do not feel threatened (whether or not the threat is real), so the leaders feed an (ir)rational threat to mobilize people and use them for their own profit.
oh and one more thing:
science has its best moments during wars
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Razyutis
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Sat Jan 26, 2008 5:44 pm Post subject: |
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| science has its best moments during wars |
i object, why is it that when science evolves less ppl die in wars.
when ppl had just swords, bows and pikes milions died per war
and now with bombs, rifles, machineguns, rockets and grenades only 1000 die per war.
science doesnt kill ppl, ppl kill ppl. humans are fragile they can die from a log impact
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misanthrone
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true, people kill people.. however let's not forget that today's wars are carried in a different way.. it's not about 2 armies standing face to face and then the slaughter starts.. the freakin' bomb falls into your head launched from 1000 miles away.. so yeah, it makes sense that the number of victims is smaller.. but let's not forget WWII..
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zarqun
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Sun Jan 27, 2008 7:36 am Post subject: |
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@Razy: you misunderstood me.
when I say science has its best moments in war, then I mean that the development of numerous techniques increases
a lot of techniques we know today had their first application in a military environment, mostly during war.
for example: almost any company uses logistics to improve numerous processes (e.g. shorten the product-life time-cycle, improving the efficiency of distribution,...)
well, the basics of logistics were during the Napoleontic wars: Napoleon gave marquess de Logis the task to arrange all foodsupplies, sleeping places,.... of the army
if he failed his task, then battles could be lost (e.g. the war between Russia and Napoleon in Poland)
now logistics are still important in wars, but they are way more important in business life...
now there are numerous applications of logistics, which improves a lot of the company's production and distribution processes.
that's what I mean with science has its best moments during war.
sadly (but true) wars increase the speed of our development fast than peaceful times...
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Pesadelo
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Sun Jan 27, 2008 8:02 am Post subject: |
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| Razyutis wrote: |
| zarqun wrote: |
| science has its best moments during wars |
i object, why is it that when science evolves less ppl die in wars.
when ppl had just swords, bows and pikes milions died per war
and now with bombs, rifles, machineguns, rockets and grenades only 1000 die per war. |
Zarqun said is a pure hiscorical truth. Our history is told by the wars and science is much enhanced in war periods.
Razy, you said a great bullshit, dude. Modern wars kill much, much more than ancient. According to the Journal of The Royal Society of Medicine, the estimates of average annual military deaths in wars, worldwide, by century, per million population are:- 17th century 19.0 per million
- 18th century 18.8 per million
- 19th century 10.8 per million
- 20th century 183.2 per million
Consider that 20th century population is much greater then 17th one...
Afghanistan (2 millions), Bosnia (250,000), Burundi (200,000), Liberia (150,000), Rwanda (at least 500,000), Sudan (1.5 million) are samples of 1990s massacres.
More people on earth, more advanced "to kill" technology, less natural resources per capita... Man never we killed so much.
Science? Science is the best thing we have today to have a future  |
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 lunarstrain88
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Wed Feb 16, 2011 8:34 am Post subject: |
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| misanthrone wrote: |
| true, people kill people.. however let's not forget that today's wars are carried in a different way.. it's not about 2 armies standing face to face and then the slaughter starts.. the freakin' bomb falls into your head launched from 1000 miles away.. so yeah, it makes sense that the number of victims is smaller.. but let's not forget WWII.. |
Religion may not have as much to do with war in the 21st Century as in the past, in fact some scientific ideas or even accidents at nuclear facilities may eventually lead to WW3  |
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 Basher
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Wed Feb 16, 2011 10:08 am Post subject: |
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| Pesadelo wrote: |
| Razyutis wrote: |
| zarqun wrote: |
| science has its best moments during wars |
i object, why is it that when science evolves less ppl die in wars.
when ppl had just swords, bows and pikes milions died per war
and now with bombs, rifles, machineguns, rockets and grenades only 1000 die per war. |
Zarqun said is a pure hiscorical truth. Our history is told by the wars and science is much enhanced in war periods.
Razy, you said a great bullshit, dude. Modern wars kill much, much more than ancient. According to the Journal of The Royal Society of Medicine, the estimates of average annual military deaths in wars, worldwide, by century, per million population are:- 17th century 19.0 per million
- 18th century 18.8 per million
- 19th century 10.8 per million
- 20th century 183.2 per million
Consider that 20th century population is much greater then 17th one...
Afghanistan (2 millions), Bosnia (250,000), Burundi (200,000), Liberia (150,000), Rwanda (at least 500,000), Sudan (1.5 million) are samples of 1990s massacres.
More people on earth, more advanced "to kill" technology, less natural resources per capita... Man never we killed so much.
Science? Science is the best thing we have today to have a future |
Man is at its most brightest when designing better ways to kill fellow men
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Nihilath
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Wed Feb 16, 2011 11:46 am Post subject: |
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Sciece Vs Religion? its a joke? come on is how say Carl Sagan Vs Micky Mouse
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 RAM
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"The gods did not reveal from the beginning,
All things to us; but in the course of time
Through seeking, men found that which is better.
But as for certain truth, no man has known it,
Nor will he know it; neither of the gods,
Nor yet of all the things of which I speak.
And even if by chance he were to utter The final truth,
he would himself not know it;
For all is but a woven web of guesses."
- Xenophanes
"The most beautiful and profound emotion we can experience is the sensation of the mystical. It is the foundation of all true science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead. To know that what is inconceivable to us really exists, manifesting itself as the highest wisdom, as the most radiant beauty which our dull faculties can comprehend only in their most primitive form - this knowledge, this feeling, is at the center of true religiousness."
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