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Tue Mar 22, 2011 2:31 pm Post subject: You might want to watich this...
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tr1sth3t
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Tue Mar 22, 2011 2:37 pm Post subject:
Your reaction should be something like this...
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cjjeepercreeper
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Tue Mar 22, 2011 3:10 pm Post subject:
algore's bastard child trying to sound reasonable rather than hysterical like his daddy. _________________ Not dead, just sleeping.
Memento Mori
tr1sth3t
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Tue Mar 22, 2011 3:19 pm Post subject:
cjjeepercreeper wrote:
algore's bastard child trying to sound reasonable rather than hysterical like his daddy.
It's ok cj, we can't all be rational. As you've shown. Because whether you like it or not, he is right.
Do the math yourself, and see if you can prove that reasoning wrong. I've tried, and I could only prove him right.
(p.s. I cannot take anyone seriously who makes an argument like that without any reasoning behind it.) _________________ It is more likely that a brain randomly forms out of the chaos with false memories of its life than that the universe around us would have billions of self-aware brains.
cjjeepercreeper
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Tue Mar 22, 2011 3:23 pm Post subject:
tr1sth3t wrote:
cjjeepercreeper wrote:
algore's bastard child trying to sound reasonable rather than hysterical like his daddy.
It's ok cj, we can't all be rational. As you've shown. Because whether you like it or not, he is right.
Or we can just accept the premise that is growing widely in the scientific community that man made global warming is a hoax that made a bunch of people billionaires at the expense of the gullible masses. Therefore, the only rational thing to do is to do nothing radical, just be sensible in the use of our natural resources and use modern science to maximize their efficiency. I think I just poked a very large hole in this alarmist's "theory". This guy is an alarmist cloaked in sheep's clothing. Nothing more. _________________ Not dead, just sleeping.
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tr1sth3t
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Tue Mar 22, 2011 3:33 pm Post subject:
cjjeepercreeper wrote:
tr1sth3t wrote:
cjjeepercreeper wrote:
algore's bastard child trying to sound reasonable rather than hysterical like his daddy.
It's ok cj, we can't all be rational. As you've shown. Because whether you like it or not, he is right.
Or we can just accept the premise that is growing widely in the scientific community that man made global warming is a hoax that made a bunch of people billionaires at the expense of the gullible masses. Therefore, the only rational thing to do is to do nothing radical, just be sensible in the use of our natural resources and use modern science to maximize their efficiency. I think I just poked a very large hole in this alarmist's "theory".
You use "hoax" as if you are a part of this "scientific community". How do you explain the Americans (during WWII) developing technology to detect heat signatures left behind by Japanese/German air craft? In general, they proved that the carbon in the air traps heat. What you are trying to justify, can it be sensed (tasted, felt, seen, smelled, or heard)? I don't think so, because it is just an idea (that global warming is a "hoax") without substance.
Also, if you really want to make the argument you've just made, then do some more research on mathematical weather models. You'll be able to say that weather isn't real or is just a "hoax" too. Seeing how the mathematical models used to predict the weather everyday is _less_ stable than the mathematical model that was used to prove global warming.
I'm sure you'll be reassuring everyone that it'll never snow or rain next...
I'd also like to quote the First Law of Thermodynamics.
Quote:
When heat, Q, is added to a system, some of this added energy remains within the system, increasing its internal energy by an amount, U. The remainder of Q leaves the system doing work, W, against its surroundings: Q = U + W. W is work done on a system while W is the work done by a system.
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DOSphantom
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Tue Mar 22, 2011 5:07 pm Post subject:
*yawn*
This isn't even a hypothesis.
Lets brighten up the mood:
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tr1sth3t
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Tue Mar 22, 2011 5:19 pm Post subject:
DOSphantom wrote:
*yawn*
This isn't even a hypothesis.
DEFINITION: Hypothesis -- a proposal intended to explain certain facts or observations.
Global warming is the hypothesis to:
Quote:
When heat, Q, is added to a system, some of this added energy remains within the system, increasing its internal energy by an amount, U. The remainder of Q leaves the system doing work, W, against its surroundings: Q = U + W. W is work done on a system while W is the work done by a system.
_________________ It is more likely that a brain randomly forms out of the chaos with false memories of its life than that the universe around us would have billions of self-aware brains.
well it might be that we are going to have a new ice age here trist, this is based on senses and the current weather conditions in last 3 years, the fromula it self does not have all the variabless commonly in the formulas, there are some information and more importantly external links in wikipedia for weather system calculatiions, temperature factions, entropy and of course the thermodynamics it self.
So called "Global warming theory" has been updated several times, every now and then people understands something more and new about the weather systems, the current theory is that the extreme weather conditions and phenomenoms are increasing, (that we can allready agree on), and furhtermore the the ozon layer weakening has an effect as well. The ultraviolet light emited by our sun is effective to carry heat energy, and it is in both of the magnetic poles, so the ice melts faster in those areas.
So in my opinion the glopal warming is proofen fact and it is a summ of many factions, and therefor not so easily to be calculated and or predicted. _________________ i am so ebil that i piss darkness
neckfreak
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Wed Mar 23, 2011 5:20 am Post subject:
tr1sth3t, the biggest trouble here is the way the experiment is presented. One of the things i could never understand is the "given plot" of the basis of any semi-rational/science theory. Given the a, b and c of ANY theory, you are bound to achieve the same result, as in the original solution. This is called "stating the obvious". A person has to be blind to deny the obvious, but it's highly irrational to accept the result, without questioning the variables. In short - one always needs to question the "given plot", or there would not be any scientific progress. Adding more variables, more lines and columns, changing values of the variables may or may not lead to entirely different conclusions, than simply stating the obvious result of "yes" or "no". Also when it comes to predicting future events and outcomes, one can practice "mind masturbation", simply in order to influence a less "scientific" approach. Because of incomplete ideas like this one, regular people believe in miracles, aliens, god, fate, etc. the whole thing here is "is this theory viable enough" to be taken seriously. I think not. On the other hand playing with ideas is what makes us human, but adding value to an idea, more than it is carrying may lead to wrong answers/more questions. Does the sun revolve around the earth or is it the other way around? _________________ On the stones that we walk, and choose to make our paths,
sometimes never knowing, other times knowing too much.
- Chuck Schuldiner
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tr1sth3t
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Thu Apr 07, 2011 7:27 am Post subject:
It's a good thing to be skeptical about all things. Whether or not global warming is real, the effects of not acting out weighs the effects of acting. That's what the video is about, and that's the conclusion that any ration mind would come to when trying to figure out what to do about global warming. Just ask yourself: "What's going to happen if I don't act, and what's going to happen if I act." Regardless of whether or not anything ever happens because of global warming, it's something we cannot be 100% certain about. So the only logical choice is to act on the available facts.
Did you read that the tsunami isn't retracting back into the ocean over in Japan? The ocean has taken that land back. _________________ It is more likely that a brain randomly forms out of the chaos with false memories of its life than that the universe around us would have billions of self-aware brains.
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